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GoldPatriot

DID YOU SEE THIS ONE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzq9WkqxnOA



Let this propaganda warm your lil cold heart you evil miners you....
 
Take a few minutes to watch seldom seen views of a little-known, threatened, unique and often spectacular river that's misnamed a "creek." In 1998, at the height of the struggle against the proposed nickel strip mine at Rough and Ready Creek, the local community, neighbors and general public overwhelminglyRough and Ready Creek is a candidate Wild and Scenic River in Oregon's Klamath-Siskiyou Province. It's at the center of an almost two decade long struggle against a nickel mining proposal, which local citizens overwhelming opposed. Oregon's two Senators and US Congressman Peter DeFazio have asked the Obama Administration for help to protect the area. Despite this, Rough and Ready Creek remain vulnerable today, with the people and the place victims of the unjust 1872 MIning Law—an antiquated law written when Ulysses Grant was president, with champions so powerful it's remained essentially unchanged for 136 years. In 2001, the mine proponent at Rough and Ready Creek filed a 5th Amendment "takings" lawsuit against the United States of America claiming $600,000,000 in damages because he was asked to demonstrate his mining plan was reasonable. A decade later lawsuits are ongoing.


My comments:  Exactly when is enough, enough for you people?  You have cost this county hundreds of thousands of jobs, destroyed our economy with your idea that man and nature can't work in harmony. I know you Marxists don't hold any value for America or the US Constitution, but Americans have every right to the minerals and materials that built this nation into the best nation on earth. Not happy with 10's of millions of acres of land already, you demand more. Your facts are not facts, just scare tactics.
eastcreek

Compromise?

GoldPatriot,

I am only a lowly hobby miner just now becoming interested in in prospecting in areas such as was shown in the video. Please consider my comments concerning this topic of large scale mining. First let me state I am not a "tree huger". I am however, a nature lover as I am sure many members of GPAA are. My intentions are always to be "low impact" wherever I may mine.

The forest service stance, as is granted in the mining laws, the video states "gives individuals and CORPORATIONS" the right to mine public lands. My concern is, ...Can anyone vouch for the destruction that can be done by large scale corporate mining? Should we go to this extreme in our cause? It seems to me that if some restrictions were in place to limit the extent of the altering of landscape, we miners could have a better relation with "environmentalists" which is needed. Do we not even yield one inch to state "they" have a valid point?  Am I naive?
Me Gold Seeker

eastcreek,

 If you're just a "hobby miner" this website will not have anything to offer you, under the mining laws you are a miner, nothing more, nothing less no matter how large or small your mining activities are, if you step out of being just a miner with the protection "Granted" to you by the Mineral Estate Grant, you have no protection under the mining laws.

 This site is here to inform/teach everyone of their rights that are spelled out in the mining laws, it will be up to you too learn and understand those rights, what you choose to do with those rights is up to you.

 As far as protecting the environment, it will be up to each individual "miner" to do his/her best to do so.

 Most "large scale corporate mining" are not protected by the rights/laws that will be discussed within these forums, they are in a different realm of mining, the fact that they go the route, either by choice or by other factors of going through the process of getting permits, POO, etc. takes them out of the protection of the Mineral Estate Grant.

 I would recommend that everyone do their very best to leave the land the way they found it or in better condition than they found it.

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lastchancelarry

correct me if I am wrong but the big mining operations also have to carry a very large bond to ensure that they reclaim the land to as close to pristeen as possible......eastcreek you are a miner pure and simple not a hobby or recreational miner...only a miner and welcome to class
Me Gold Seeker

Larry,

 Even a small miner that goes down the path the BLM/NFS, and other government agencies tries to lead you down and by doing so you're abandoning your rights under mining laws and you will have to post that same reclamation bond, and that is what the government wants all of us to do!!


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lastchancelarry

skip...is this for placer mining or just hard rock for the little guy???
Thanks larry
edit: I re-read that skip
"and other government agencies tries to lead you down and by doing so"...meaning if I choose to get a permit or whatever may or may not be required or if I choose to file a claim?
Me Gold Seeker

The Mining laws doesn't require you to get any permits, POO, Bonds, etc., if you mining under the Mineral Estate Grant, no matter the type of mining your doing.

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GoldPatriot

eastcreek: No, the greens have no valid rights or concerns as it applies to mining, in what ever form it may take.  Their whole premise is wrong and reeks of a desired communist state, where people have no right to the land.

To be sure, mining has a long history and some of that history is rather shocking, if taken out of context.

The video that started this thread is a perfect example of how dishonest and distrustful the greens are.  

Factually they are bankrupt.

If there are in fact biological sensitive plants and trees on the claim, there are current laws that require the claim owner to secure such and to replant as needed.  

Greens talk a lot about ancient forests, yet they wouldn't know one if they saw one.  Do you know how many "ancient forests" there are in the United States?  In the lower 48, there is but one, and that is just a partial one at that.  The Redwoods in northern California.  If you were to look in Canada, there is also, but just one.  That forest sits on an island that my grandfather gave to the Canadian government and it’s never even heard the sound of a saw.  

Greens have no view of context, shown by their ravings over "ancient forests" and or “old growth forests”.  In their simple minds, they think that “seeing the big tall trees” is of real value.  It isn’t.  Look at history to find the real value of "ancient forests" and or “old growth forests”.  "Ancient forests" and or “old growth forests” support little life and are extremely susceptible to fire, disease and infestation.  When Lewis & Clark hit the "ancient forests" and or “old growth forests” in what is now Oregon, what did they eat?  Deer, elk, bear or moose?  None of the listed animals ever found the dinner plate.  In fact the expedition was in full starvation mode, until one day they were lucky enough to run into an Indian tribe that fed the salmon.  Why were there no animals to hunt, kill and eat?  Because "ancient forests" and or “old growth forests” do not support the ground feed and grasses that support deer and bears.  Elk were at that time still a “plains” animal and moose only venture to tall timber in the worse of snow storms.  Bears depend on deer and other forms of animals for an important part of their diet, so bears follow the food chain.

What greens will never admit is the facts.  One fact is, that there are today, more deer, elk, moose and bear, than when Lewis & Clark traveled across this country.  By cutting the tress, it opened the ground to sunlight and grasses, berries and trees rebounded and brought these animals together in ever increasing numbers.  They can’t admit to that, the donations would dry up.

So too, the greens have no concern for the truth as it comes to the subject of mining. The care even less about the wealth that is created by the hundreds of thousands of jobs that are created by the mining industry, or the wealth that is created by the minerals which are extracted, nor the revenue from taxes that flow to the states and federal coffers.  

Greens cheer the concept of locking all lands away from the people and advocate always, for the federal government (watch video) to strip Constitutional rights away from Americans and turn every acre they can, into “Wild & Scenic”, where liberty and freedom is also tossed aside.

Greens rail against the ‘ugly scars of mining”, yet they sit silent to the scars that are created by them… millions of acres of scars that they create, with NO benefit to man, beast or government.  

It is an undeniable truth, that next to nature, only the greens create more devastation to this earth.  Mining on it’s best day and with the worst illegal mining techniques used(by a tiny percent of all miners) falls far behind the greens  in impact, economic loss and disregard for the environment..

I don’t mind if you are a bit of a tree hugger, just make sure that the tree you hug, hasn’t been used as a toilet by the greens.
1866

I actually commented on this video about a year ago and reffered to Rough and Ready Creek as "a jewel among Southern Oregon's tailing piles". The fact is, Rough and Ready was very heavily mined in the early years. The Greenies promptly deleted that comment in an effort to continue with their agenda to portray Rough & Ready as "wild", "pristine", "untouched", etc.

As for the "Nicore Group", it's a mute point. Contrary to the propoganda that GangGreen has put out, the Nicore is simply the dream of one lone local miner.  To listen to this propoganda, the Greenies would have you believe that Walt Friedman is the CEO of the world's largest nickel mining company. The very idea that local citizens rallied against the Nicore is also nonsense. Friedman is "a local" out there and he was hoping to create a few local jobs.
1866

As for EastCreek, there is no such thing as a "hobby" or "recreational" miner. Both terms were invented by the agencies to implement their policies and to encourage the abandonment of mining rights via "co-operation".

As for the big mining operations (almost exclusively foreign), one thing to keep in mind is that they have been responsible for dumping a lot of the money into the organizations created by GangGreen and have fought individual miners side by side with the Greenies, even to the point of publicly disparaging miners who advocate the Grant as "whackos".

The reality is that there is an agenda at work here, as any examination into withdrawn areas will typically turn up that the locatable minerals have often been changed to a "reserved" status, meaning that the feds have reserved the right to sell those minerals to the highest bidder at some point in the future (yes, even inside so-called "Wilderness" areas).
GoldPatriot

Gee, they didn't post my comment either.  I feel "crushed" and so very "hurt" by this group and given I'm in a "protected Class" known as "Handicapped", because I am a "Lowly white man" that suffers from an "addiction to work", I either need a "hug" or a kizillion dollar law suit.

We need to be as loud and pro-active as these lying communists with the soft, cring, warmand fuzzy voices.  The longer we sit aside in silence, the more embolden they will be.

Den
eastcreek

MINER!

Thanks everyone for your comments. I'm glad to have found this classroom.

It appears to me then, that the common thread I am seeing in these posts, and elsewhere, is to not let any "official" even get 'one foot in the door' with telling me what I can or cannot do on a GPAA claim site, which by the way is contrary to the instruction issued by them in the mining manual. Again, the only thing I can figure is it's the best way for them (GPAA) to avoid outside interference and it's a CYA deal of sorts.

If "hobby miner" is the wrong thing to refer to myself when in any particular state I may be in, then I will begin calling myself a miner despite having an innate fear of being underground. :>) I have no intention of "abandoning" my rights.

I too have been looking into where the funding for these "green" movements have been originating and what the intent is. I'm thinking some of it could be coming from Glen Beck's "Creepy Guy", George Soros and one or more of his undercover organizations. I'm drifting now so I'll leave it at that.  

 

 


1866 wrote:
As for EastCreek, there is no such thing as a "hobby" or "recreational" miner. Both terms were invented by the agencies to implement their policies and to encourage the abandonment of mining rights via "co-operation".

As for the big mining operations (almost exclusively foreign), one thing to keep in mind is that they have been responsible for dumping a lot of the money into the organizations created by GangGreen and have fought individual miners side by side with the Greenies, even to the point of publicly disparaging miners who advocate the Grant as "whackos".

The reality is that there is an agenda at work here, as any examination into withdrawn areas will typically turn up that the locatable minerals have often been changed to a "reserved" status, meaning that the feds have reserved the right to sell those minerals to the highest bidder at some point in the future (yes, even inside so-called "Wilderness" areas).
1866

You'd be correct to name George Soros as one of the major funders of GangGreen. Interestingly enough, back in August, he actually liquidated most of the gold in his portfolio and invested the proceeds in mining companies. As journalists reported it "Soros sells his gold and then buys miners". It's estimated that about 25% of his net worth is tied to the mining industry, while another large share is tried up in oil.

Meanwhile, a portion of his fortune is actively pumped into major Green groups, Earthjustice, Green For All, Natural Resources Defense Council, Alliance for Climate Protection, Friends of the Earth, and Earth Island Institute just to name a few. These groups in turn trickle funding down to the regional and "local" groups that are actively working to create withdrawals and to attack independent miners, family farms, small ranchers, etc.

And he's not the only one doing this. In fact, it's business as usual for most of GangGreen's backers.
GoldPatriot

If you watch "Fighting the Greens & Government" in the video section of this site, you will witness how the greens manage to afford the high priced legal hatchetmen they use to destroy America's freedoms and liberties.

I would proffer that miners and mining groups use the exact same tactics and more.

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