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Red Dog Mining...

Dredging mining laws

I have gathered a lot of legal links for the dredging debate on this facebook page. At some point I will pick out the good ones and post them....
https://www.facebook.com/dredgingnow
GoldPatriot

Thanks Red Dog.

Den
beebarjay

Well I just briefly took a look at your link (facebook data).  My printer just got done printing the "Executive Sumamary The mining Law: The Extent of Federal Authority Over Public Domain".  I am not sure I should attempt to read it yet.  But it looks like it is well worth the study.  Thanks,

bejay
1866

beebarjay wrote:
Well I just briefly took a look at your link (facebook data). †My printer just got done printing the "Executive Sumamary The mining Law: The Extent of Federal Authority Over Public Domain". †I am not sure I should attempt to read it yet. †But it looks like it is well worth the study. †Thanks,

bejay


Well, I'd personally suggest that you read it NOW, as it lays out the basics of your rights. This was the document that we used to motivate the county sheriffs to move against the agencies.
GoldPatriot

Given that we are facing the largest single federal land grab in the history of this country, reading and understanding the laws as quickly as possible is a "no brainer".

If not us, who will stand against these fools?
beebarjay

Well I can attempt to read it.  Hopefully I have enough basic undertanding/comprehension of the language to give it the full understanding I am sure it deserves.  But it would make a great classroom topic.  I am fearfull I will end up jumping all over the place instead of a step by step approach. The jumping all over the place learning method has not worked for me in many years.  I know the  SWOMA site has a learning page.......but it does not afford the opportunity for questions and answers which is a basic learning tool.  Yes.....being able to be at the SWOMA meetings would be goodi, but obviously a huge audience can not make the meetings. So here we are.  

bejay
Hefty

Bejay or anybody have a link to this?

"Executive Sumamary The mining Law: The Extent of Federal Authority Over Public Domain".

Never mind...got it.
beebarjay

It is on the GPAA forum.....thread....Mining Claims are Private property rights something....posted by MEG. I copied it to paper.

On the Gold Prospecting topic threads

bejay
John Crossman

I just contacted the GPAA today March 2, 2012, about one of the legal club claims here in Idaho.  I was curious as to why it was panning only and the response was "The reason is that itís in the Nation Forest and they have regulations as to where we can or cannot dredge."  
But they have other claims that are in the national forest as well and you can dredge on some of these without question.
I asked her "So you are telling me that the forest service regulations supersede an act of congress of 1866?"  She said, "I DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIONS OF THE FOREST SERVICE, let me get you to someone else in the office."  (This sounds like the forestry runaround)

This is a big club where we all join and pay dues and are supposed to be united and defending our rights to mine and prospect.  IF this clubs staff themselves don't know the laws or are following ALL FORESTRY RULES, then what rights are they defending for us?  One national forest is no different than the other.  If it was the club rules that said pan only, I would be fine with that.  However, if it is the rules of the forest service and they arenít questioning as to why, then they are just as much at fault for the demise of mining and prospecting all over this country.  
MY QUESTION is can I mine, using any method I choose because I am a club member, that has the rights from the 1866 Act?  
Side note, if a huge club like GPAA is following the rules of the forest service, what chance do we have as small professional miners to fight them ourselves?  Didnít Buzzard Massie always fight for the freedom of miners?
lastchancelarry

hey wombat...check out the responses on the gpaa forum  concerning this as well.....and thanks for pluggin the forum over there
Glindberg

John I know your frustration unfortunately my knowledge is not enough to answer your question yet, but there are others here whom maybe able to answer it. Unfortunately due to the size of the GPAA and reading comments by other miners under their forum both new and long time members
whom do not even have a basic grasp of the Grant, though I may not agree with the GPAA I can understand that they 1) may not be capable of helping miners understand (which is why this forum was started) the Mineral Estate Grant. 2) Even the GPAA admin may not have a full grasp. 3) could be a cya for the GPAA because there is so much misinformation posted by members in the forum.

This is just my opinion......regardless of the why, ultimately it is each miners responsibility to understand their rights or not understand them, as said by Woof! it has always been our choice.

Gary
John Crossman

Thanks glinberg, I appreciate your thoughts.
lastchancelarry

Ithink it as answered at the forum by mikep and myself..not tooting my horn just not comfortable copying mikes post and moving it over here and mine expands on mikes......never mind I see you saw it

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