americanmininglawforum.myfastforum.org Forum Index americanmininglawforum.myfastforum.org
mining, mining law, prospector, mining claim, 1865, 1866, 1872, legal, illegal, government, policy, administrative, mineral, grant, right, forest, service, BLM, DEQ, wild, scenic, hobby, gold, placer, hard, rock, hardrock, dredging, highbanking
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Join! (free) Join! (free)
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Hefty vs. USFS 2012
Page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 9, 10, 11, 12  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    americanmininglawforum.myfastforum.org Forum Index -> COURTS & CASE LAW
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Please Register and Login to this forum to stop seeing this advertising.






Posted:     Post subject:

Back to top
beebarjay



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 230
Location: Central Oregon Coast & Az

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:22 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

WOW !

No kidding.  That would really hold all the executive agencies and appointees to a higher standard.

At 65 I am just finding this out!  Where you been all my life.  This should be taught in every school.

bejay
_________________
Proud of my generation and never to old to learn
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Woof!



Joined: 09 Jan 2012
Posts: 90
Location: Gold Trail

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

beebarjay wrote:
We have often seen lately where a President, at the advice of legal council, has made an action that later is argued/challenged as per "intent" language within the letter of the law.

bejay


Now you know how lawyers make money.

Ever wonder how much a lawyer charges to... have a hearing in a state court about where the next hearing will be held?  Shocked

If you were a lawyer would it be in your best interests to settle a matter quickly and efficiently based on the law - or bill maximum hours arguing about regulations and the scheduling of hearings?

The President and the majority of the members of Congress are lawyers. The entire Judicial branch are lawyers.

Did they ever resolve the real meaning of "is"?  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing

Our entire government makes their money arguing the meaning of the laws and regulations they themselves have written. The weapons of today are laws. Most miners don't know which end of the fire stick the laws and regulations come out of - much less how to figure out which is a law and which is a regulation.

As I have said many times before, successful prospecting requires many skills. If you want to mine and keep your valuable mineral discovery one of those skills should be a basic working understanding of the laws.

Woof!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GoldPatriot



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 219
Location: Waldport, Oregon

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woof! wrote:

. Sorting out which is which is a skill all Americans should have been taught in school. Of course the DEPARTMENT of Education is an agency of the Executive.  Wink

Woof!


And we all know how well that has worked out...  Not that anyone needs reminding, but the reason reading the law is so confusing to most people, is that the laws were purposely created that way to enrich the legal profession and to confuse the general public, if not the courts themselves.

Ever watch CSPAN when Congress (which writes the tax laws) grills the IRS?  Now folks, that is always funny and worth taking on a road tour, if it wasn't so shameful.  No one can understand the Tax codes and no two experts can agree on how to define each line within those laws.

So, as it pertains to mining and as laymen, we shouldn't be surprised at all when we read these grey laws differently.  Learn to read the key words and phrases, without fluff and mosre times than not, you'll have a better understanding of what the law is and or means.
_________________
" America is at that awkward stage......... It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hefty



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 132
Location: sacramento ca

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing  Forest Service has Surrendered !!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GoldPatriot



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 219
Location: Waldport, Oregon

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gee.. the LAW works!
_________________
" America is at that awkward stage......... It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cowboy444



Joined: 18 Feb 2012
Posts: 22
Location: Gold Beach, OR

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hefty wrote:
Laughing  Forest Service has Surrendered !!!



Tell us more!! What happened??

cowboy444
_________________
I'm fighting for my rights, How about you?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Hefty



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 132
Location: sacramento ca

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is hard to get the exact details from the congressmans aid because the FS uses the confidentual forms and the aid is following that. But i am trying to get more info from him.

Last week when i got the info from the aid about them checking into the use of the helo, he would update me this week with any new info.

Well he called me this afternoon and told me to contact the FS patrol captian to set up my pickup of my equipment. All charges have been waved as well they should be.
I contacted him right away and said the regional 5 office was still writing up the paperwork and that i should get it tomarrow.

The only thing I got out from the aid was that the Regional 5 FS must have found that ARRD did not do their job as to finding the real owner of the impounded property. He was being nice.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cowboy444



Joined: 18 Feb 2012
Posts: 22
Location: Gold Beach, OR

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inventory everything and be sure to list missing equipment. Guesstimate replacement prices and have someone in authority sign your inventory list if possible. It'll make it a whole lot easier to sue for replacement.

cowboy444
_________________
I'm fighting for my rights, How about you?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Hefty



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 132
Location: sacramento ca

PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makes me wonder whats going on now???
Have not heard back from the patrol captian as to where or when to pick up my equipment.

MORE WAITING!!!

THIS SUCKS!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Hefty



Joined: 30 Dec 2011
Posts: 132
Location: sacramento ca

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And yet the run around continues.........as now the patrol captian states Tom Madrigal is the only one authorized to release the equipment to me.....and Tom Madrigal is in Oregon on training.
Needless to say the congressmans aid is a little pissed off. He gave them 24hrs to get a release date.


But that does confirm the one!!!

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    americanmininglawforum.myfastforum.org Forum Index -> COURTS & CASE LAW All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 9, 10, 11, 12  Next
Page 10 of 12

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum